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Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 2, 1 March–6 May 1845

1 March 1845 • Saturday, continued Page 1 4 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 32 11 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 77 18 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 131 22 March 1845 • Saturday Page 181 25 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 231 5 April 1845 • Saturday Page 266 11 April 1845 • Friday Page 267 15 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 327 22 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 349 29 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 355 6 May 1845 • Tuesday Page 361

Source Note

See source note under Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 1, 10 March 1844–1 March 1845.

Historical Introduction

See historical introduction under Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 1, 10 March 1844–1 March 1845.

Page [42]

oldest speak first and no one speak more than once on the same subject untill all the members have had a priviledge of speaking. He would consider this would wisdom in all important matters and would offer it as an amendment to
Er Spencer

14 Mar./13 May 1802–15 Oct. 1855. Teacher, minister, university professor and chancellor. Born in West Stockbridge, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts. Son of Daniel Spencer and Chloe Wilson. Moved to Lenox, Berkshire Co., 1817; to Schenectady, Schenectady Co.,...

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s motion. There may be exceptions to this rule.
The vote was then taken on the resolution as amended, but was objected to by
Er Woodworth

3 Apr. 1799–after 1860. Architect, laborer, carpenter. Born in Thetford, Orange Co., Vermont. Married Phebe Watrous. Moved to Ellisburg, Jefferson Co., New York, by 1830; to Missouri, by 1839; and to Nauvoo, Hancock Co., Illinois, by 1841. Architect of Nauvoo...

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inasmuch as the motion of
Er Spencer

14 Mar./13 May 1802–15 Oct. 1855. Teacher, minister, university professor and chancellor. Born in West Stockbridge, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts. Son of Daniel Spencer and Chloe Wilson. Moved to Lenox, Berkshire Co., 1817; to Schenectady, Schenectady Co.,...

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was already a standing rule of house the house,
71

The council minutes do not indicate a specific rule that the men speak in order of seniority, and it is clear that generally there was no such order in their debates. However, by council rule votes were taken in seniority order—“beginning at the oldest and on down to the youngest.” (Council of Fifty, “Record,” 11 Mar. 1844.)


but
Mr Spencer

14 Mar./13 May 1802–15 Oct. 1855. Teacher, minister, university professor and chancellor. Born in West Stockbridge, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts. Son of Daniel Spencer and Chloe Wilson. Moved to Lenox, Berkshire Co., 1817; to Schenectady, Schenectady Co.,...

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s resolution
72

In recording these minutes, Clayton may have intended to refer to Orson Pratt’s resolution. Spencer had introduced only one motion, which is described earlier in this sentence of the text.


was not and he was opposed to any thing being combined with the order as established by Joseph Smith.
The
chairman

14 June 1801–22 June 1868. Blacksmith, potter. Born at Sheldon, Franklin Co., Vermont. Son of Solomon Farnham Kimball and Anna Spaulding. Married Vilate Murray, 22 Nov. 1822, at Mendon, Monroe Co., New York. Member of Baptist church at Mendon, 1831. Baptized...

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said that
Er Woodworth

3 Apr. 1799–after 1860. Architect, laborer, carpenter. Born in Thetford, Orange Co., Vermont. Married Phebe Watrous. Moved to Ellisburg, Jefferson Co., New York, by 1830; to Missouri, by 1839; and to Nauvoo, Hancock Co., Illinois, by 1841. Architect of Nauvoo...

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s idea was agreeable with what Prest. Joseph Smith said, viz. that a man might speak as often as he had a mind to and as much.
73

According to Clayton’s minutes, JS stated at the 10 March 1844 council meeting that “he wanted all the brethren to speak their minds” on the subject at hand “and to say what was in their hearts whether good or bad.” (Council of Fifty, “Record,” 10 Mar. 1844.)


Councillor Spencer

14 Mar./13 May 1802–15 Oct. 1855. Teacher, minister, university professor and chancellor. Born in West Stockbridge, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts. Son of Daniel Spencer and Chloe Wilson. Moved to Lenox, Berkshire Co., 1817; to Schenectady, Schenectady Co.,...

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Footnotes

  1. [71]

    The council minutes do not indicate a specific rule that the men speak in order of seniority, and it is clear that generally there was no such order in their debates. However, by council rule votes were taken in seniority order—“beginning at the oldest and on down to the youngest.” (Council of Fifty, “Record,” 11 Mar. 1844.)

  2. [72]

    In recording these minutes, Clayton may have intended to refer to Orson Pratt’s resolution. Spencer had introduced only one motion, which is described earlier in this sentence of the text.

  3. [73]

    According to Clayton’s minutes, JS stated at the 10 March 1844 council meeting that “he wanted all the brethren to speak their minds” on the subject at hand “and to say what was in their hearts whether good or bad.” (Council of Fifty, “Record,” 10 Mar. 1844.)

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