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Discourse, 23 July 1843, as Reported by Willard Richards

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JS, Discourse, [
Nauvoo

Principal gathering place for Saints following expulsion from Missouri. Beginning in 1839, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints purchased lands in earlier settlement of Commerce and planned settlement of Commerce City, as well as surrounding areas....

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, Hancock Co., IL, 23 July 1843]. Featured version copied [ca. 23 July 1843] in JS, Journal, 1842–1844, bk. 3, pp. [11]–[17]; handwriting of
Willard Richards

24 June 1804–11 Mar. 1854. Teacher, lecturer, doctor, clerk, printer, editor, postmaster. Born at Hopkinton, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts. Son of Joseph Richards and Rhoda Howe. Moved to Richmond, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts, 1813; to Chatham, Columbia Co...

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. For more complete source information, see the source note for JS, Journal, 1842–1844.

Historical Introduction

During the afternoon of 23 July 1843, JS preached a discourse in
Nauvoo

Principal gathering place for Saints following expulsion from Missouri. Beginning in 1839, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints purchased lands in earlier settlement of Commerce and planned settlement of Commerce City, as well as surrounding areas....

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, Illinois, on various subjects and clarified statements he had made on previous occasions. The sermon continued themes from a discourse JS delivered on 9 July on the differences between the
Latter-day Saints

The Book of Mormon related that when Christ set up his church in the Americas, “they which were baptized in the name of Jesus, were called the church of Christ.” The first name used to denote the church JS organized on 6 April 1830 was “the Church of Christ...

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and other Christian faiths, with JS declaring on both occasions that church members should love others and that they should receive truth regardless of the source.
1

Discourse, 9 July 1843.


The 23 July 1843 discourse also clarified comments JS made a week earlier that he “would not p[r]ophecy any more” and that his brother
Hyrum Smith

9 Feb. 1800–27 June 1844. Farmer, cooper. Born at Tunbridge, Orange Co., Vermont. Son of Joseph Smith Sr. and Lucy Mack. Moved to Randolph, Orange Co., 1802; back to Tunbridge, before May 1803; to Royalton, Windsor Co., Vermont, 1804; to Sharon, Windsor Co...

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“should be the prophet.”
2

Willard Richards, Nauvoo, IL, to Brigham Young, New York City, NY, 18–19 July 1843, Brigham Young Office Files, CHL; see also Discourse, 16 July 1843.


Comprehensive Works Cited

Brigham Young Office Files, 1832–1878. CHL. CR 1234 1.

The morning after JS made those remarks, some Saints expressed concerns over this announcement, believing JS was resigning his position as church
president

The highest presiding body of the church. An 11 November 1831 revelation stated that the president of the high priesthood was to preside over the church. JS was ordained as president of the high priesthood on 25 January 1832. In March 1832, JS appointed two...

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. On 23 July, JS explained his previous comment in two ways: First, he stated that he was speaking “Ironically,” assuming that the Saints would understand his meaning, and that he was not actually denying he was a prophet but that he intended to stop “procla[i]ming myself such.” Second, JS stated that he could “adva[n]ce f[ro]m prophet to pri[e]st & then to King.” Whereas Christians historically used these titles to refer to the threefold office of Jesus Christ, JS suggested in the 23 July discourse that human beings could attain these titles in a progressive fashion and that by allowing Hyrum Smith to assume the role of “prophet,” JS could become a “priest.”
3

See Revelation 1:6. Prominent reformer John Calvin connected the titles, and the doctrine of the threefold office of Jesus Christ became important in Reformed and Lutheran theology. The phrase was also widely used in nineteenth-century American Protestant discourse. For instance, the popular hymn “I Know That My Redeemer Lives,” which was included in the church’s 1835 hymnal, states, “He lives my Prophet, Priest, and King.” Likewise, Presbyterian minister Ashbel Green explained that while certain Old Testament figures fulfilled two of the roles (“David was a king and a prophet”), only Christ fulfilled all three. (Dietrich Ritschl, “Office of Christ,” in Encyclopedia of Christianity, 3:820; Hymn 79, Collection of Sacred Hymns [1835], 107; Green, Lectures on the Shorter Catechism, 316; see also “The Council of Fifty in Nauvoo, Illinois.”)


Comprehensive Works Cited

The Encyclopedia of Christianity. Edited by Erwin Fahlbusch, Jan Milič Lochman, John Mbiti, Jaroslav Pelikan, and Lukas Vischer. Translated by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. 5 vols. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans; Leiden, the Netherlands: Brill, 1999–2008.

Green, Ashbel. Lectures on the Shorter Catechism of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America Addressed to Youth. Vol. 1. Philadelphia: Presbyterian Board of Publication, 1841.

In the remainder of the discourse, JS connected this discussion with the ministry of John the Baptist, whom he referred to as a “king” and “lawgiver.”
Willard Richards

24 June 1804–11 Mar. 1854. Teacher, lecturer, doctor, clerk, printer, editor, postmaster. Born at Hopkinton, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts. Son of Joseph Richards and Rhoda Howe. Moved to Richmond, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts, 1813; to Chatham, Columbia Co...

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recorded an extensive account of this discourse in JS’s journal. Richards likely recorded rough notes from the discourse in a small booklet or loose sheets, which he later copied—with minimal polishing—in JS’s journal.
4

For more information on Willard Richards’s note-taking methods, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, 4 July 1843.


James Burgess

25 Feb. 1818–30 May 1904. Carpenter, farmer. Born at Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England. Son of William Burgess and Martha Barlow. Baptized into Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 19 Oct. 1840. Ordained a priest, 19 Dec. 1840. Served mission...

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and
Franklin D. Richards

2 Apr. 1821–9 Dec. 1899. Carpenter, businessman, newspaper editor. Born at Richmond, Berkshire Co., Massachusetts. Son of Phinehas Richards and Wealthy Dewey. Raised Congregationalist. Baptized into Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by Phinehas ...

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recorded shorter accounts in their journals. The polished language in the accounts by Burgess and Richards suggests that both inscribed their versions after the fact based on notes or perhaps memory. All three accounts are featured here.

Footnotes

  1. [1]

    Discourse, 9 July 1843.

  2. [2]

    Willard Richards, Nauvoo, IL, to Brigham Young, New York City, NY, 18–19 July 1843, Brigham Young Office Files, CHL; see also Discourse, 16 July 1843.

    Brigham Young Office Files, 1832–1878. CHL. CR 1234 1.

  3. [3]

    See Revelation 1:6. Prominent reformer John Calvin connected the titles, and the doctrine of the threefold office of Jesus Christ became important in Reformed and Lutheran theology. The phrase was also widely used in nineteenth-century American Protestant discourse. For instance, the popular hymn “I Know That My Redeemer Lives,” which was included in the church’s 1835 hymnal, states, “He lives my Prophet, Priest, and King.” Likewise, Presbyterian minister Ashbel Green explained that while certain Old Testament figures fulfilled two of the roles (“David was a king and a prophet”), only Christ fulfilled all three. (Dietrich Ritschl, “Office of Christ,” in Encyclopedia of Christianity, 3:820; Hymn 79, Collection of Sacred Hymns [1835], 107; Green, Lectures on the Shorter Catechism, 316; see also “The Council of Fifty in Nauvoo, Illinois.”)

    The Encyclopedia of Christianity. Edited by Erwin Fahlbusch, Jan Milič Lochman, John Mbiti, Jaroslav Pelikan, and Lukas Vischer. Translated by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. 5 vols. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans; Leiden, the Netherlands: Brill, 1999–2008.

    Green, Ashbel. Lectures on the Shorter Catechism of the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America Addressed to Youth. Vol. 1. Philadelphia: Presbyterian Board of Publication, 1841.

  4. [4]

    For more information on Willard Richards’s note-taking methods, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, 4 July 1843.

Asterisk (*) denotes a "featured" version, which includes an introduction and annotation. *Discourse, 23 July 1843, as Reported by Willard Richards Journal, December 1842–June 1844; Book 3, 15 July 1843–29 February 1844 *Discourse, 23 July 1843, as Reported by Franklin D. Richards *Discourse, 23 July 1843, as Reported by James Burgess History, 1838–1856, volume E-1 [1 July 1843–30 April 1844] “History of Joseph Smith”

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In the midst of business— &— find the spirit willing but the flesh is weak
3

See Matthew 26:41.


subject to like passions with other men.—
4

See James 5:17.


although I am under the necessity of bearing the infirmities of other men. &c——
on the other hand the same characters when th[e]y discover a weakness in brothr Joseph. blast his character. &c—
all that law. &c th[r]ough him to the
church

The Book of Mormon related that when Christ set up his church in the Americas, “they which were baptized in the name of Jesus, were called the church of Christ.” The first name used to denote the church JS organized on 6 April 1830 was “the Church of Christ...

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he cannot be borne with a moment.
men mouth my troubles. wh[e]n <​I​> have trouble they forget it all [p. [12]]
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  1. [3]

    See Matthew 26:41.

  2. [4]

    See James 5:17.

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