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Discourse, circa 9 February 1841

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JS, Discourse, [
Nauvoo

Principal gathering place for Saints following expulsion from Missouri. Beginning in 1839, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints purchased lands in earlier settlement of Commerce and planned settlement of Commerce City, as well as surrounding areas....

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, Hancock Co., IL, ca. 9 Feb. 1841]; in William P. McIntire, Notebook, pp. [10]–[11]; handwriting of
William P. McIntire

29 May 1813–5 Jan. 1882. Tailor. Born in Wheatfield, Indiana Co., Pennsylvania. Son of George McIntire and Sarah Davis. Married Anna Patterson, ca. 1833, in Pennsylvania. Baptized into Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by Erastus Snow, 23 Nov. 1836...

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; CHL. For more complete source information, see the source note for Account of Meeting and Discourse, 5 Jan. 1841, as Reported by William P. McIntire.

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In a meeting of the
Nauvoo

Principal gathering place for Saints following expulsion from Missouri. Beginning in 1839, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints purchased lands in earlier settlement of Commerce and planned settlement of Commerce City, as well as surrounding areas....

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lyceum, most likely held on 9 February 1841, JS discussed the fall of Adam and the redemption of humankind.
1

For more on the Nauvoo lyceum, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, ca. 2 Feb. 1841.


As early as 1829, JS began to teach an understanding of the Fall that sharply contrasted with Calvinist and other traditional, contemporary Christian viewpoints. For example, in contrast to John Calvin’s insistence that “Adam’s sin . . . kindled the dreadful flame of divine wrath against the whole human race,”
2

Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 1:260.


Comprehensive Works Cited

Calvin, John. The Institutes of the Christian Religion. Translated by John Allen. 3 vols. Philadelphia: Philip N. Nicklin, 1816.

the Book of Mormon, which JS translated in 1829, averred that God’s purposes were fulfilled rather than thwarted by the Fall. In it, the prophet Lehi declared, “Adam fell, that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.”
3

Book of Mormon, 1840 ed., 65 [2 Nephi 2:25].


In 1830, when JS began his revision of the Bible, his revelatory expansion of the account of the Creation and the Fall in the book of Genesis portrayed Adam as rejoicing over the results of the Fall: “Blessed be the name of God for my transgression for in this life I shall have joy & again in my flesh I shall see God.” Eve was similarly pleased: “Were it not for our transgression we should never had seed & should never had known good & evil & the joy of our redemption & the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obediant.”
4

Old Testament Revision 1, p. 8 [Moses 5:10–11]; see also Revelation, Sept. 1830–A [D&C 29].


JS’s teachings during this lyceum meeting expanded upon this understanding that the fall of Adam was part of the plan of God.
William P. McIntire

29 May 1813–5 Jan. 1882. Tailor. Born in Wheatfield, Indiana Co., Pennsylvania. Son of George McIntire and Sarah Davis. Married Anna Patterson, ca. 1833, in Pennsylvania. Baptized into Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by Erastus Snow, 23 Nov. 1836...

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wrote an account of this JS discourse in his personal notebook. It is the only known source recording JS’s teaching that day. Although McIntire did not provide a date for the meeting, lyceum meetings appear to have been held every Tuesday, and because the text of this discourse is found in the sixth entry of McIntire’s notebook, JS most likely delivered it at the lyceum meeting of 9 February, the sixth Tuesday of 1841.
5

For more information on dating in McIntire’s notebook, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, ca. 2 Feb. 1841.


Footnotes

  1. [1]

    For more on the Nauvoo lyceum, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, ca. 2 Feb. 1841.

  2. [2]

    Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 1:260.

    Calvin, John. The Institutes of the Christian Religion. Translated by John Allen. 3 vols. Philadelphia: Philip N. Nicklin, 1816.

  3. [3]

    Book of Mormon, 1840 ed., 65 [2 Nephi 2:25].

  4. [4]

    Old Testament Revision 1, p. 8 [Moses 5:10–11]; see also Revelation, Sept. 1830–A [D&C 29].

  5. [5]

    For more information on dating in McIntire’s notebook, see Historical Introduction to Discourse, ca. 2 Feb. 1841.

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that adam Did Not Comit sin in [e]ating the fruit,
2

Calvin had asserted that Adam’s sin “could not have been a trivial offence, but must have been a detestable crime, that was so severely punished by God.” (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 1:260.)


Comprehensive Works Cited

Calvin, John. The Institutes of the Christian Religion. Translated by John Allen. 3 vols. Philadelphia: Philip N. Nicklin, 1816.

for God had Dec[r]eed that he should Eat & fall— But in complyance with the Decree he should Die—
3

The book of Genesis recorded God’s instruction to Adam that “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” In JS’s expansion of the Genesis account, Adam was further instructed, “Nevertheless thou mayest chose for thyself for it is given unto thee but remember that I forbid it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” JS expanded upon this teaching at another lyceum meeting a few weeks later, explaining that the “day” spoken of in which Adam would “shurely Die” was a day to the Lord, or “a thousand of our years.” (Genesis 2:17; Old Testament Revision 1, p. 6 [Moses 3:17]; Account of Meeting and Discourses, ca. 9 Mar. 1841.)


only he should Die was the saying of the Lord therefore the Lord apointed us to fall & also Redeemed us— for where sin abounded Grace did Much More abound—
4

See Romans 5:20.


for Paul says Rom.— 5— 10 for if— when were Enemys we were Reconciled to God by <​the Death of​> his Son, much more, being Reconciled, we shall be saved by his Life— [p. [11]]
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Footnotes

  1. [2]

    Calvin had asserted that Adam’s sin “could not have been a trivial offence, but must have been a detestable crime, that was so severely punished by God.” (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 1:260.)

    Calvin, John. The Institutes of the Christian Religion. Translated by John Allen. 3 vols. Philadelphia: Philip N. Nicklin, 1816.

  2. [3]

    The book of Genesis recorded God’s instruction to Adam that “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” In JS’s expansion of the Genesis account, Adam was further instructed, “Nevertheless thou mayest chose for thyself for it is given unto thee but remember that I forbid it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” JS expanded upon this teaching at another lyceum meeting a few weeks later, explaining that the “day” spoken of in which Adam would “shurely Die” was a day to the Lord, or “a thousand of our years.” (Genesis 2:17; Old Testament Revision 1, p. 6 [Moses 3:17]; Account of Meeting and Discourses, ca. 9 Mar. 1841.)

  3. [4]

    See Romans 5:20.

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