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Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 2, 1 March–6 May 1845

1 March 1845 • Saturday, continued Page 1 4 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 32 11 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 77 18 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 131 22 March 1845 • Saturday Page 181 25 March 1845 • Tuesday Page 231 5 April 1845 • Saturday Page 266 11 April 1845 • Friday Page 267 15 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 327 22 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 349 29 April 1845 • Tuesday Page 355 6 May 1845 • Tuesday Page 361

Source Note

See source note under Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 1, 10 March 1844–1 March 1845.

Historical Introduction

See historical introduction under Council of Fifty, Minutes, March 1844–January 1846; Volume 1, 10 March 1844–1 March 1845.

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pointed out. When we go our way would be to go up the Arkansas River and then by land to the head of the
Western Colerado

Also known as Rio Colorado, or Red River, because of area’s red clay that lends river its hue. One of longest rivers in North America; drains about 245,000 square miles. Runs southwest about 1,500 miles from Rocky Mountains in present-day northern Colorado...

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which is only about 500 miles.
276

Rather than follow the northern route through the Rocky Mountains along the Platte River favored by John C. Frémont and most Americans migrating to Oregon territory, Young apparently envisioned that the Mormons would travel down the Mississippi River and up the Arkansas River until they intersected with the Santa Fe Trail at the Great Bend of the Arkansas River. By roughly following the northern branch of the Santa Fe Trail to Bent’s Fort and then following the old Spanish trail that Zebulon Pike used to explore the headwaters of the Arkansas River and crossing over the continental divide to the headwaters of the Colorado River, they would journey about five hundred miles by land. (See Frémont, Report of the Exploring Expedition, 47–48, 128–129; Walker, Wagonmasters, 20–21, 23–25; and Pike, Account of Expeditions, 157–177.)


Comprehensive Works Cited

Frémont, John C. Report of the Exploring Expedition to the Rocky Mountains in the Year 1842, and to Oregon and North California in the Years 1843–’44. Washington DC: Gales and Seaton, 1845.

Walker, Henry Pickering. The Wagonmasters: High Plains Freighting from the Earliest Days of the Santa Fe Trail to 1880. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1966.

Pike, Zebulon M. An Account of Expeditions to the Sources of the Mississippi, and through the Western Parts of Louisiana, to the Sources of the Arkansaw, Kans, La Platte, and Pierre Jaun, Rivers, Performed by Order of the Government of the United States during the Years 1805, 1806, and 1807. And a Tour through the Interior Parts of New Spain, When Conducted through These Provinces, by Order of the Captain-General, in the Year 1807. Philadelphia: C. and A. Conrad, 1810.

If there was a hundred men at the head of
Western Colerado

Also known as Rio Colorado, or Red River, because of area’s red clay that lends river its hue. One of longest rivers in North America; drains about 245,000 square miles. Runs southwest about 1,500 miles from Rocky Mountains in present-day northern Colorado...

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they could sustain themselves.
277

Three days earlier Brigham Young discussed with Hosea Stout a similar plan of “settling the interior of the country between the head waters of the Arkansas and the head waters of the Colerado of the West.” (Stout, Journal, 19 Mar. 1845.)


Comprehensive Works Cited

Stout, Hosea. Journal, Oct. 1844–May 1845. CHL. MS 1910.

There is no necessity for these brethren to go and make a map, because they could not do that and do justice to it in less than two years and we want to be there before that time. As to the safest place for us to go to if we were scattered it would be to the Eastern country. If we would go and spread the news that Mormonism is down, all used up, we could go any where with safety. We are not in danger, they are not going to kill us off. But if we were to begin to go and gather a company to go West they would no doubt try to head us and cut off our guards &c. [p. [187]]
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  1. [276]

    Rather than follow the northern route through the Rocky Mountains along the Platte River favored by John C. Frémont and most Americans migrating to Oregon territory, Young apparently envisioned that the Mormons would travel down the Mississippi River and up the Arkansas River until they intersected with the Santa Fe Trail at the Great Bend of the Arkansas River. By roughly following the northern branch of the Santa Fe Trail to Bent’s Fort and then following the old Spanish trail that Zebulon Pike used to explore the headwaters of the Arkansas River and crossing over the continental divide to the headwaters of the Colorado River, they would journey about five hundred miles by land. (See Frémont, Report of the Exploring Expedition, 47–48, 128–129; Walker, Wagonmasters, 20–21, 23–25; and Pike, Account of Expeditions, 157–177.)

    Frémont, John C. Report of the Exploring Expedition to the Rocky Mountains in the Year 1842, and to Oregon and North California in the Years 1843–’44. Washington DC: Gales and Seaton, 1845.

    Walker, Henry Pickering. The Wagonmasters: High Plains Freighting from the Earliest Days of the Santa Fe Trail to 1880. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1966.

    Pike, Zebulon M. An Account of Expeditions to the Sources of the Mississippi, and through the Western Parts of Louisiana, to the Sources of the Arkansaw, Kans, La Platte, and Pierre Jaun, Rivers, Performed by Order of the Government of the United States during the Years 1805, 1806, and 1807. And a Tour through the Interior Parts of New Spain, When Conducted through These Provinces, by Order of the Captain-General, in the Year 1807. Philadelphia: C. and A. Conrad, 1810.

  2. [277]

    Three days earlier Brigham Young discussed with Hosea Stout a similar plan of “settling the interior of the country between the head waters of the Arkansas and the head waters of the Colerado of the West.” (Stout, Journal, 19 Mar. 1845.)

    Stout, Hosea. Journal, Oct. 1844–May 1845. CHL. MS 1910.

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